Curse

UnChosen · Apr 24, 2010, 10:26 PM // 22:26

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Originally Posted by QueenofDeath

It's very simple to explain the reason WHY. The players that ran through the content and the runners that ran them through it ruin the sequence of "UPGRADING" in the game thus killing TRADE from YAKS BEND to Droknars because they BYPASSED the ARMOR and WEAPONS upgrade areas like Henge of Denravi, Lions Arch, Yaks Bend and some of those before and after them.

Players who ran the content never bought these UPGRADES thus destroying part of the economy because of it and those that had been farming and storing up these resources for SALE to get these MID-LEVEL UPGRADES LOST all that TRADE and that would have related to millions of credits of revenue.

Players who ran the content never bought or upgraded to MID LEVEL content they went straight for the HIGH END GEAR, WEAPONS and most especially SKILLS. You had level 1-10's running ELITE skills in ASCALON PVP ARENA's. You had players who could SOLO whole GROUPS in the YAK's BEND ARENA because they ran the content and got the high end ARMORS +80/20's and ELITE SKILLS and then came back from level 11-15 easily kicking everyones butt who WERE PLAYING THE CORRECT WAY.

If you played DIABO 2 or NEVERWINTER NIGHTS or just about ANY OTHER RPG game you know you DON'T GET TO RUN THE CONTENT to the END CONTENT and get all the good stuff the FIRST DAY. Not unless of course you play online in CHEAT/EXPLOIT mode and just piggy back with someone ONLINE to increase your levels without doing anything. This is NOT RPG playing this is NOT intended to be done. But, some little whiney tards were too lazy to do it themselves. Whinning about I have to work, I have to goto School I have to blah blah blah whine whine whine and I want EVERYTHING EVERYONE ELSE HAS NOW! hahah

So I say CONTINUE TO STOP ALLOWING PLAYERS TO RUN THE CONTENT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ANET I LOVE IT.

) Make these lazy players earn it or quit so we can have a world where everything is fair an equal by correctly playing the world an adventure and not exploiting the game mechanics of it.

Maybe for YOU because YOU suk. I finished the game without a run or without playing SF. I love how some sorry players say the game is impossible to finish because they don't won't to take the TIME to finish it as it was intended. Plus have such shallow one track minds they can't figure out builds to defeat each area that becomes hard. Poor wittle babies they couldn't beat it the first couple of times through so IT's IMPOSSIBLE. LMAO

You need some anger management....its a game. Its funny when you compare GW to Diablo 2 and Neverwinter Nights, in those game I also get to "one hit KO" monsters right from the starts, and I don't need to find groups or learn any sort of "skill" to speak of...bad comparison. As for trade between yak's bend and drok...ARE YOU SERIOUS?! You also can't run in factions thanks to gate lock....where are the "trade"?

Also, I can get max armor pretty much near the start in factions, BY GAME DESIGN! So apparently I'm ruining the economy by starting a character in factions, getting max armor in kaineng, then going to prophecies and "kicking everyone's butt" (as if anyone care that I can get through those areas with crap drop anyways)

In Diablo 2 I can also transfer an ungodly amount of potions and charms to another char and make the game far easier than it "should be", in other RPG there's such a thing as leeching, where I pay someone to share EXP with me to level up. I can also complete those RPG without touching 50% of the areas at all....in almost every other D2 style RPG I can name only a handful of "optimal" areas I would play in.

Just because in those games the grind is 1000x doesn't mean people aren't skipping contents. If anything in GW people skips stuff the LEAST, and it only seems "exploitive" because Anet made the game so linear and the drop/effort ratio is so bad everywhere. If they put someone that's worth a damn between Yak's bend and Droknar then people won't skip the areas....you know like D2, where good stuff drop EVERYWHERE.

QueenofDeath · Apr 24, 2010, 10:58 PM // 22:58

A ^ typical example of what I'm talking about. The personality of the leech, exploiter, griefer no doubt etc. etc. that we have to deal with in these RPG games. They don't know how to role play they don't know how to PLAY at all. All they know how to do is bot, exploit and cheat their way through the game and more than likely through life itself.

At least Factions MADE you PLAY through the CONTENT nobody certainly didn't RUN through it like Prophecies or Nightfall. Even Nightfall put on the brakes for some of it when it started out you had to have certain levels in Sunspear before you could move on.

) I was happy with that and the FACTIONS LOCKS as well.

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UnChosen · Apr 25, 2010, 03:30 AM // 03:30

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Originally Posted by QueenofDeath

A ^ typical example of what I'm talking about. The personality of the leech, exploiter, griefer no doubt etc. etc. that we have to deal with in these RPG games. They don't know how to role play they don't know how to PLAY at all. All they know how to do is bot, exploit and cheat their way through the game and more than likely through life itself.

At least Factions MADE you PLAY through the CONTENT nobody certainly didn't RUN through it like Prophecies or Nightfall. Even Nightfall put on the brakes for some of it when it started out you had to have certain levels in Sunspear before you could move on.

) I was happy with that and the FACTIONS LOCKS as well.

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I was making an example. Pretty much every MMORPG/ORPG in history had content skipping, despite your constant QQ trying to turn a GAME into WORK + COMPETITION. In fact, a lot of them are designed to encourage "cheats" and "exploits" (leeching / item transfer) specifically to encourage more community interactions. Korean MMO are prime examples, I don't think any real veteran actually grind their second/third chars through the game "normally", everyone I know in those games leech their lower levels.

By the way, there is a unnerfable way for me to be ran through areas....its called Guildie + 6 heroes. If I'm desperate enough, I assure you I can find some random guy, get him to run me through dungeons with 6 heroes, and pay him 60k. And he could probably do it without doing any real skillful work other than moving his heroes around. Time to nerf and remove heroes I think /sarcasm.

End · Apr 25, 2010, 06:54 AM // 06:54

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Originally Posted by odins daughter

Neith .i do and have done many of the points you state here, before the 600/sf were about, during and after, because now i have no choice because of the decimation of sin sf.
The idea of Anet putting a gun to my head is, actually a fair similie,because thats exactly what Anet have done anyway,they dangle the carrot in your face to say that our accomplishments can be carried over to GW2, SO BLOODY WELL GET GRINDING!

Yet you don't complain about the government threatening to kidnap you if you don't pay taxes even if you don't support where the money is going? Don't say your holding a gun to your head as they aren't...especially with account-wide HoM you aren't required to do everything on every char...you chose to do that. You don't chose to pay taxes yet I see no QQ threads about that here on guru...

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suggesting that I should quit playing with my other chars is to be honest a dumb statement( no malice intended) and to be so bold as to suggest SF/600 killed of the Pugs is another one.

I assume this goes with the point below but I'll separate it for clarification.

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I use to run Gloom and City in DOA only, mainly when the ZB came to town and there was never a shortage of PUGS trying to accomplish these despite the runners which suggests to me the balance between ppl wanting to be run and not, was 50/50.

You could easily turn this around to say that the zquest got people excited about doing something and encouraged pugs that normally wouldn't have been formed...to say that zquests were the shining beacon of light in the dark land ruled by SF/600...Sooo...it's a really bad point...but thanks for helping prove that something needed to be done to encourage pugs when they could just get a run...

truthfully I'd love to see this come about by finally hitting SF with the same bat that hit Smiters Boon...and THEN (after they are sure it's dead this time) introducing some new drops *cough*been awhile since a design-a-weapon contest*cough* to make areas worth doing...

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Lets be honest...GW is dying on its feet, more people quit playing than what are coming in and I dont still want to be playing GW when GW2 is released, I want to be ready to load GW2 and start playing from day one, while I was using my sin i could see the end of my grinding in the near future but now its seems a lifetime away, this is what im bitter about.

QQ moar? Some people got their GWAMM before SF existed...if they can do it...so I'm sure you can do it without it... I almost have my GWAMM without touching SF or getting a run for a dungeon...Soo....why are you incapable? You choose to play more then 1 char? well theres an account-wide view for the hall...You wanna max the EOTN title on all your chars? Well thats your choice...

The HoM was never intended to be easy to max (note how destroyer weapons were originally considered high end). Originally you had to have 5 elite armors on 1 char to fill up that monument... Titles?
It was meant to reward those who worked hard in GW1 in GW2...it's been dumbed down enough already...we don't need to make it any easier...

Dragos · Apr 26, 2010, 10:14 AM // 10:14

So far, I'm 5 titles away from gwamm on my main, but I've played with it for 2k hours in the last year. I was in my own guild back then, with only my girlfriend joining me every now and then. I used the perma sin for Duncan HM, because I couldn't do it H/H for a whole weekend, and also tried 2 dungeons in HM with my gf for fun. Did most of the vq by now H/H, all the missions except Eternal Grove were also H/Hed in HM too... and it was fun. I also enjoyed spending 4 hours in the Veil with my gf, trying weird H/H combos... and it's not the only char I'm playing with. I also have a LS war that only punched Fronis' face twice, and soon a LS ele (both made from playing the game). I'm broke 90% of the time but I couldn't care less (well, except when the Boardwalk is open).
I used to run people here and there during the SF era... for 100g - cause, again it was fun.
Even though the nerf took the opportunity of abusing raptors during special events from me, I must agree with it. My monk arrived at the Gate of Anguish a couple of days before the nerf, so I didn't get the chance to try the 600/smiter too much either, but that's ok - doing the foundry with a couple of friends was way more fun. And, I must say, Neith and her friends/guildies are very nice people to venture in the elite areas with!
Bottom line is, if you don't enjoy playing the game anymore, there's no point in having others get the titles on your other two chars... Waiting in Doomlore for the moment you'll be beamed 250 years later seems more appropriate...

QueenofDeath · Apr 27, 2010, 11:01 AM // 11:01

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By the way, there is a unnerfable way for me to be ran through areas....its called Guildie + 6 heroes. If I'm desperate enough, I assure you I can find some random guy, get him to run me through dungeons with 6 heroes, and pay him 60k. And he could probably do it without doing any real skillful work other than moving his heroes around.

Not in Factions you won't.

) Try running through the Eternal Grove Mission in Factions lmao there's no way you can run it you HAVE TO FIGHT and you HAVE TO WIN THAT FIGHT to get through it and that's just one of many in Factions. Let's see your socalled heroes and random person RUN the keep Togo alive in the first mission of the game? hrmmmm don't think so hahaah. So nope not even a guildie can RUN through the content for you in FACTIONS you HAVE TO GO THROUGH EVERY GATE and COMPLETE the MISSIONS as designed to get to the next one. Plus FIGHTING with HEROES is NOT RUNNING so you FAIL with that philosophy vs RUNNING content. No PURE RUNNER can RUN through Factions without fighting and PLAYING the CONTENT.

) Too many missions require killing something or many things before you can get through the gates. And nope you won't find some random person to run you through much of the content anymore since they nerfed SF and 600 smite.

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Dragos · Apr 27, 2010, 11:15 AM // 11:15

'sides, Guildie/radom person + 6 heroes requires your presence near them, or else there will be guildie/random person + 3 heroes. But then, again, why would you need someone running the missions for you since most of them are H/H-able (just H/H-ed Gate of Madness in HM, kickin' Shiro's rear in under 1 minute, with the help of Koss and all the spirits I could find... I died when fighting the Lich alone, though, while the H/H's were recapping the shrines ^.^)
Anyways, this is a game... and so, its purpose was to be played... Would you buy a movie and ask someone else to watch it and then come to tell you what happened there? (You wouldn't buy it at all, if you'd only watch it once - renting is more appropriate...) Would you go to all the parties you're invited, but only socialize, dance and have fun there once, after which only check in your agenda whose party you went to (just to sit on a couch and take a nap)? ^.^

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Originally Posted by odins daughter

Lets be honest...GW is dying on its feet, more people quit playing than what are coming in and I dont still want to be playing GW when GW2 is released, I want to be ready to load GW2 and start playing from day one, while I was using my sin i could see the end of my grinding in the near future but now its seems a lifetime away, this is what im bitter about.

There are 2 separate thingies here. First, I wouldn't say GW is dying as long as we still have regular updates and the content (be that little as it is) added... and people who like playing it still play it. Second, you can load GW2 from day one and start playing it! I have friends that didn't want to buy GW1 but said that they'll jump in as soon as the second installment hits the shelves. I'm sure they'll be able to do that even if they didn't grind their way in...

UnChosen · Apr 27, 2010, 09:10 PM // 21:10

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Originally Posted by QueenofDeath

Not in Factions you won't.

) Try running through the Eternal Grove Mission in Factions lmao there's no way you can run it you HAVE TO FIGHT and you HAVE TO WIN THAT FIGHT to get through it and that's just one of many in Factions. Let's see your socalled heroes and random person RUN the keep Togo alive in the first mission of the game? hrmmmm don't think so hahaah. So nope not even a guildie can RUN through the content for you in FACTIONS you HAVE TO GO THROUGH EVERY GATE and COMPLETE the MISSIONS as designed to get to the next one. Plus FIGHTING with HEROES is NOT RUNNING so you FAIL with that philosophy vs RUNNING content. No PURE RUNNER can RUN through Factions without fighting and PLAYING the CONTENT.

) Too many missions require killing something or many things before you can get through the gates. And nope you won't find some random person to run you through much of the content anymore since they nerfed SF and 600 smite.

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The funny thing is that in NF Anet responded to the massive complaint and REMOVED the gate lock. Apparently the majority of players on GW do NOT think the way you do. Freedom of exploration is apparently a good thing, and people want it even in the presence of "evil" runners.

Ohh btw...SF and 600/Smite is still usable to run through a lot of dungeons, so haha to you.

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Originally Posted by Dragos

'sides, Guildie/radom person + 6 heroes requires your presence near them, or else there will be guildie/random person + 3 heroes. But then, again, why would you need someone running the missions for you since most of them are H/H-able (just H/H-ed Gate of Madness in HM, kickin' Shiro's rear in under 1 minute, with the help of Koss and all the spirits I could find... I died when fighting the Lich alone, though, while the H/H's were recapping the shrines ^.^)
Anyways, this is a game... and so, its purpose was to be played... Would you buy a movie and ask someone else to watch it and then come to tell you what happened there? (You wouldn't buy it at all, if you'd only watch it once - renting is more appropriate...) Would you go to all the parties you're invited, but only socialize, dance and have fun there once, after which only check in your agenda whose party you went to (just to sit on a couch and take a nap)? ^.^

1 person + 3 heroes + 3 henchies. And yes I've seen people actually run people like that (and yes some people are not good enough even with heroes). For me, H/h is BORING, I didn't buy an online RPG to play through 99% of the areas as a single player. So what I did after using H/h with my first character was to get a run through dungeons first, then go back during ZQ day when there's LOTS OF PEOPLE and redo the dungeon "normally". Somehow according to someone in this thread what I'm doing is "ruining" the game even though I interacted with far more people than someone who just use H/h for everything.

Deakon · Apr 27, 2010, 09:40 PM // 21:40

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Originally Posted by QueenofDeath

Plus FIGHTING with HEROES is NOT RUNNING so you FAIL with that philosophy vs RUNNING content.

It is if you're running and the heroes (as well as others on your team) are fighting. You don't have to run in a straight line. You can run around in circles hoping that someone heals you until the fight is over. In fact, you could do absolutely nothing but "run" into the first group and die then let your party drag you thru to the end of the game. If a low-level character in Prophecies has heroes then there's a bigger problem that needs to be addressed.

Point is... even without "runners" a new character can easily make it to the end of the game (and elite areas) without doing a thing short of joining a party. You know, as well as I, that people with 2 or more accounts regularly create characters on one account then drag them thru the game on another.

The only thing nerfing runs accomplished was removing a good sized portion of the economy... in-game services for in-game payment. Could you imagine what would happen in the real world if half of it's population stopped trading goods for services because it was illegal?

I better stop before someone calls for GW personal property taxes.

Laraja · Apr 27, 2010, 11:57 PM // 23:57

I didn't read all the responses, but enough that I actually logged in so I can reply. So I'm lazy like that, lol.

Okay, firstly, I'm a shitty player and if someone like me can breeze through HM with a SoS rit and Discord heros... well... anyone can do it. In fact, I vanquish solo on my rit and it's not because I'm good, it's because it's *easy*.

Second, if me, the shitty player can do Hm easily (and that includes most dungeons, it's nice to have another player with heros for a few of the more difficult dungeons but 1 other player is enough), what does this say about your whining? Not to be rude, but it says that you're not trying. That you've learned to rely on gimmick builds and runners. If you just *tried* and didn't give up so easily and read some sections on heros builds and used some money to pimp their armor, you'd probably be successful. I mean, since I consider myself to be the pinnacle of retardedness, I just can't imagine someone being more retarded.

Hmmmm....

QueenofDeath · Apr 28, 2010, 02:38 AM // 02:38

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Ohh btw...SF and 600/Smite is still usable to run through a lot of dungeons, so haha to you.

But not ALL of them anymore so HAHA to you.

) FACTIONS still rules when it comes to NOT running through the content. Enjoy your gate keys REQUIRED. hahahahahah

Countess Marie · May 11, 2010, 01:00 AM // 01:00

GW always had exploits, that I can remember. prot bond, 55, then the gear/book/item exploit. I can't lie and say I never did that stuff because it was fun for awhile, but I definitely wasn't complaining when they nerfed it.

The fact that GW now has consumable items that boost your attributes, pve only skills, as well as other skills that (basically) render you invulnerable... I can't see how you are complaining.

Guild wars isn't "hard", but it keeps you on your toes if you play hard mode in the more challenging areas (without using all sorts of consumables and pve only skills... )

Drops are fun, but really... GW money is monopoly money. Haven't you been rich and got over that? I found the game was boring when I was 'rich.' Now, I want to actually think while playing and come up with new and interesting builds instead of loading up with consumables, invulnerability skills, and pve only skills and rolling everything.

Not that rolling everything isn't possible without that stuff, but at least you have a sense of accomplishment.

The only 'nerf' that ever affected me was the minion cap, v-sac, and sreap. But with some intelligence, I got around it and made a better MM build.

Anet gives crazy buffs when they nerf, you just have to adapt.

If your only goal is titles and cash, of course you are going to be mad when people ruin your 'fun', but at this point in the GW universe... that stuff should be boring anyway. The proof is that you don't want to work for it...

-CM

Jair · May 11, 2010, 09:45 AM // 09:45

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Originally Posted by QueenofDeath

A ^ typical example of what I'm talking about. The personality of the leech, exploiter, griefer no doubt etc. etc. that we have to deal with in these RPG games. They don't know how to role play they don't know how to PLAY at all. All they know how to do is bot, exploit and cheat their way through the game and more than likely through life itself.

You completely miss the point. When it comes to overpowered builds, I can see why you would complain, namely in the spirit of 'i cant find me a team cuz i dont wanna play ursan', but that doesn't apply here. At all.

You may be in it for the fun, others may be in it for the optimal result. If they get a run, it may not be the way that ArenaNet intended it, but what on earth does that matter to you? It's just an entirely different way of playing the game, and it doesn't affect you nor you enjoying this game. It would be like asking ArenaNet to nerf everything except for Blood Magic because you like Twilight and you want everyone to be a vampire. Do you see now how ridiculous your arguments are?

Also, cut on the caps lock.

QueenofDeath · May 11, 2010, 10:46 AM // 10:46

Another ^ example of someone who doesn't understand gaming and that EVERYTHING AFFECTS EVERYTHING in a gaming community. Every individual affects something. Just because YOU can't see it or want to see it or are too 'Ron to see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist or affect others and even yourself.

I explained why and obviuosly you can't comprehend how others affect others in this game by not playing by gaming norms.

If you run through the content it's just like jumping ahead in a line for dinner or anything else you stand inline for. Many things have limits even time limits and you cutting in front takes someone else's place toward the back. You would keep someone from getting a ticket, getting to eat, getting whatever service is provided and time runs out or tickets run out. In gaming terms you get to the 100k item and start making 100k for that item long before others who stand inline for it do. You CHEAT them out of their place to start getting that 100k. You also might even prevent them from ever reaching it because you get in a PUG someone else who played the game right would have gotten had you not CHEATED and BYPASSED the gaming rules of conduct. All you are thinking about is your selfish self and what you can gain by bypassing the content and cutting in front of others. You're a theif and a cheat and rude an uncaring and uncourteous to others behind you.
Also I'll use CAPS whenever I see fit and them USEFUL to USE!

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lishi · May 11, 2010, 11:45 AM // 11:45

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One guy who should play another game because clearly gw is not the game designed as he like

some-_1 · May 11, 2010, 12:16 PM // 12:16

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Originally Posted by odins daughter

Hm in the dungeons is now impossible, no more runners

ermm... Running was never meant to be part of the game which is why anet nerfed it. ANet have said they could never have predicted most if not all of the farming/running builds we would come up with when they first released the game (I mean c'mon what were the chances of someone lowering their health to 55 and then using PS to keep themselves up?).

If anet had known how people would have used these builds they would have changed the skills before the games release to prevent it and farming might never have existed in the first place. But unfortunately they didn’t have a machine that could see into the future, so now they have to go back and rebalance most skills to prevent the game economy from going down the pan (although its already on its way down), and to stop every area in the game being beaten in <30mins.

Examples of how this has screwed the game up is FoW armour, when that first came out most people could only dream of having it, now nearly everyone in the game has it, just do non-stop DoA, FoW and UW Speed Clears and you'll raise enough cash in no time. Similarly, GWAMM was supposed to the "The Title of All Titles" again, something that most people could have only dreamt about, now with the advent of SC builds most areas of the game can be beaten and VQ'd with very little time and effort; so getting that title only requires a few months of work.

That’s why anet are rebalancing skills, to prevent this game from becoming too easy. Admittedly they don’t always get it right *cough*Shadow From*cough* but at least they're trying. And if you can’t beat one simple Dungeon without the help of a runner then you seriously need to rethink your strategy.

MithranArkanere · May 11, 2010, 01:30 PM // 13:30

There were runners that claimed to be able to run all dungeons, all of them, in an evening.
That's no longer possible. And that's good.
The ritualist update is the perfect example of how skills can become 'overpowered' without making possible to overfarm and do things way faster than they are supposed to be.
Spirits balance themselves by not allowing more of them in the party, but, unfortunately, that can't be done with all professions...

I made ALL dungeons but Duncan and Shards of Orr with H/H with my elementalist.
No gimmicks.
I did it, you can too.

Jair · May 16, 2010, 07:14 PM // 19:14

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Originally Posted by QueenofDeath

I explained why and obviuosly you can't comprehend how others affect others in this game by not playing by gaming norms.

Nope, not at all. The things you mentioned are ridiculously outdated (Ascalon Arena and Shiverpeaks Arena, seriously?), they do no longer apply to today's gameplay.

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Originally Posted by QueenofDeath

If you run through the content it's just like jumping ahead in a line for dinner or anything else you stand inline for. Many things have limits even time limits and you cutting in front takes someone else's place toward the back. You would keep someone from getting a ticket, getting to eat, getting whatever service is provided and time runs out or tickets run out. In gaming terms you get to the 100k item and start making 100k for that item long before others who stand inline for it do.

This game is instanced. If I play a gimmicky build to kill a boss, I might kill it faster then you. But that doesn't mean that you can't kill that same boss, right? I may have 100k faster than you, but that doesn't mean I stop you from getting 100k.

Del · May 16, 2010, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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Originally Posted by QueenofDeath

Another ^ example of someone who doesn't understand gaming

Pot, meet kettle.

Eragon Zarroc · May 16, 2010, 07:28 PM // 19:28

don't rely so heavily on the assistance of others to get your titles done.